tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post3907104684126177203..comments2023-05-11T00:38:23.906-07:00Comments on Stupid Is A Five-Letter Word: Rape - Never. Murder - Understandable.Buttercuphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-74562787960441048292012-09-14T12:27:44.604-07:002012-09-14T12:27:44.604-07:00Overkill, whatever one does, is always the best po...<strong>Overkill, whatever one does, is always the best policy.</strong><br /><br />Yes! We used to believe in UNCONDITIONAL surrender...as in the bad guys begging for it to stop.<br /><br />We don't anymore. Now we believe in diplomacy which is the same as believing in the good guys begging for it to stop. <br /><br />Doesn't work.Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-80335333966797334722012-09-14T11:59:17.277-07:002012-09-14T11:59:17.277-07:00RG: I'd do both, bomb it to glowing green glas...RG: I'd do both, bomb it to glowing green glass, and than air drop pig pieces/parts so that anything left, no matter how radioactive, is also unclean. <br /><br />Overkill, whatever one does, is always the best policy. Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-77629647393810420762012-09-14T11:56:26.475-07:002012-09-14T11:56:26.475-07:00I hadn't though about the suicide bombers. It...I hadn't though about the suicide bombers. It's not like I've done an exhaustive study on it or anything, but it still seems, at least in popular western culture, that the oriental sense of honor requires personal cleansing, that is, they have brought the shame on themselves by their own actions, therefore the cleansing must be their own action. Arab shame seems to be strictly something that is done to them. So while a suicide bombing is a way to reclaim honor, it seems to be as much because of the damage inflicted on the infidel's honor by killing them as the suicide. <br />Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-32266095843078179102012-09-14T11:52:52.031-07:002012-09-14T11:52:52.031-07:00Bomb the black rock? How about if they drop contai...Bomb the black rock? How about if they drop containers of pig manure instead of bombs? A few thousand tons of that might make an impression.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-20844772438181450382012-09-14T11:29:57.851-07:002012-09-14T11:29:57.851-07:00Oh, I do think you see Muslims killing themselves ...Oh, I do think you see Muslims killing themselves to reclaim their society's honor -- suicide bombers come to mind. That is to destroy the embarrassment of the West and its superiority. <br /><br />But Mecca? Yes. I listened to a man who some years ago had written a book and was on all the talk shows, radio, etc., can't remember him name. He was a convert from Islam to Christianity. He said that you must bomb the black rock in Mecca. That it held supernatural power to the Muslims. He claimed that it's destruction would destroy their cult because it would undermine their belief in the nature of their god.<br /><br />Seems like a good idea. Throw in Medina for good measure.Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-58096827734809823832012-09-14T10:37:43.428-07:002012-09-14T10:37:43.428-07:00We are seeing Obama's strength in politics. M...We are seeing Obama's strength in politics. Misdirection, obfuscation and false blame. Great for him, that the strengths of MSM are the same. He can hide dinosaur sized skeletons in his closets and use the Presidential seal to lock them.Tuerqashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10362473821989457188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-541814435606672552012-09-14T10:05:27.808-07:002012-09-14T10:05:27.808-07:00Pretty much anyone who knows about the middle east...Pretty much anyone who knows about the middle east and is a practicing Christian or Jew says the same thing. <br /><br />Admittedly I don't think the Japanese shame culture was as far away from ours as the Arab one is. The willingness to commit hari-kiri(sp?) shows a certain internalization of honor; you don't see arabs killing themselves to reclaim the family honor, it's always someone else's fault. <br /><br />But destroying Mecca would certainly have interesting results, since how could they continue to claim that their god is all-powerful if he can't even protect his own holy place from the infidel? And since the entire culture seems to be based on the "back the strong horse" theory, anyone who could destroy their god is obviously a very strong horse indeed. Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-75629725689772544802012-09-14T05:58:01.713-07:002012-09-14T05:58:01.713-07:00Library-Gryffon - THANK YOU!!! I used to read Shri...Library-Gryffon - THANK YOU!!! I used to read Shrink Wrapped and somehow lost the bookmark. At any rate, it had fallen off my radar. THANKS!!! Love that blog.<br /><br />And Dr. Sanity. She's been on my blogroll. Love her.<br /><br />I agree with her that you can't separate Islam from the shame culture of the Arab. For one basic reason - Islam is not just a religion, it is a complete socio-economic political belief with the veneer of religion thrown over it to give it "sanction." Islam is who they are, what they do, and why they do it. Islam is the basis of their shame culture. <br /><br />But you can fix that. When we dropped two atom bombs on Japan, they flipped from 5000 years of shame/warrior culture to a modern Westernized state in a few decades.<br /><br />Drop the bomb. Now.Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-34108759744497371102012-09-13T21:53:26.303-07:002012-09-13T21:53:26.303-07:00Interesting, going to have to think more about tha...Interesting, going to have to think more about that. The mention of terrorists wearing masks makes me wonder about the masks typically worn by Black Bloc anarchists. I wonder if the rejection of western/judeo-christian values by the left has resulted in their devolving to the less developed shame mindset.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-10152034763533028942012-09-13T19:39:46.359-07:002012-09-13T19:39:46.359-07:00Thank you. I think I read the Dr. Sanity one long ...Thank you. I think I read the Dr. Sanity one long ago. I'll have to read them both to refresh my memory and see if I can wrap my head around it.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-65168978615705071392012-09-13T19:30:41.193-07:002012-09-13T19:30:41.193-07:00Two essays which I think give at least partial exp...Two essays which I think give at least partial explanations for this:<br /><br />http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/08/shame-arab-psyche-and-islam.html<br /><br />and<br /><br />http://shrinkwrapped.blogs.com/blog/2006/08/guilt_vs_shame.html<br /><br />Basically, I think we're trying to decipher middle-eastern/moslem behaviour from a western, judeo-christian view point, and they really aren't compatible. Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-23912214491808264152012-09-13T18:21:09.541-07:002012-09-13T18:21:09.541-07:00I don't understand a lot of these protesters, ...I don't understand a lot of these protesters, whether Muslim or leftist. Anger I get, but this doesn't seem like normal anger. They revel in it, they get down and roll around in it like a dog rolling in crap. They actively seek out reasons to be angry and they want anger in return as an excuse for still more. How does a person live like that? RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-78418764301203885672012-09-13T17:25:16.471-07:002012-09-13T17:25:16.471-07:00I started out a bit of a wolf, truth be told, and ...I started out a bit of a wolf, truth be told, and I think I mellowed into a sheepdog. I was never a sheep. But I love that essay too because it so perfectly illustrates who we react to life. <br /><br />And TRIBES!!!! Of course. One of Bill's BEST essays. I am so glad I bought his book of these essays, "Silent America" because even though he has reposted all of them at Eject! Eject! Eject!, the formatting sucks and there are weird thingamajiggers throughout. Too hard for me to read. I will just settle into bed tonight with my book and read it again. Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-36411811145619220402012-09-13T17:21:57.473-07:002012-09-13T17:21:57.473-07:00Exactly. Hatred is the norm. Love is hard, and rar...Exactly. Hatred is the norm. Love is hard, and <i>rare.</i> Prejudice and hatred never go away; the acceptable targets just change.<br /><br />Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-71120038388898487672012-09-13T16:47:20.965-07:002012-09-13T16:47:20.965-07:00Need a reference to Tribes in here too.Need a reference to <a href="http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html" rel="nofollow">Tribes</a> in here too.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-35479307020444678012012-09-13T16:08:01.897-07:002012-09-13T16:08:01.897-07:00Oh yes, I *love* that essay, I believe I first rea...Oh yes, I *love* that essay, I believe I first read it linked from the Lawdog Files. I think it perfectly describes things, and I know people in all three categories. I think I started life as a sheep, but over the years, while not a full sheepdog, I do believe in the need "to stand for something or you'll fall for anything". I also married a submariner, so the sheepdog conditioning gets a little stronger then too (though it's amazing how many navy wives are sheep, sigh). <br /><br />I spent a lot of 2001 assuring women that their husbands/sons were safer underwater in the Persian Gulf than they were at home. It was amazing how many would start hyperventilating. I mean, really, you marry a guy who's already in the Navy, he's going to get sent on 6 month deployments, and sometimes, his boat is going to shoot at things. It really shouldn't be a hard concept. Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-65987725633007356852012-09-13T14:46:58.807-07:002012-09-13T14:46:58.807-07:00Reminds me of those "You have to be taught to...Reminds me of those "You have to be taught to hate" PSAs, that ran back in the 80's or 90's. I always thought that was backwards. Maybe you're taught which group you're <i>supposed</i> to hate but generally you have to be taught not to hate.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-24689196099930122122012-09-13T14:02:00.522-07:002012-09-13T14:02:00.522-07:00And Tuerqas, there is always room in the closet.And Tuerqas, there is always room in the closet.Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-33959528115689819892012-09-13T14:00:04.743-07:002012-09-13T14:00:04.743-07:00For crying out loud! I have reposted this three ti...For crying out loud! I have reposted this three times for all the mistakes and screw ups. SOOO! Here is the link<br /><br /><a href="http://www.gleamingedge.com/mirrors/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html" rel="nofollow">On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs</a>Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-1353419856099524872012-09-13T13:58:16.530-07:002012-09-13T13:58:16.530-07:00RG and Library-Gryffon,
You're right. As far ...RG and Library-Gryffon,<br /><br />You're right. As far as I know it was Rousseau who created the "natural man" born in perfection and destroyed by civilization. Yeah, right.<br /><br />I read LORD OF THE FLIES. Even better, I BELIEVED it. We are born, if not evil, then neutral. Good is instilled through conditioning. And often that conditioning is painful. Civilization is create when we impose -- IMPOSE -- self-restraint and discipline on others. NOT when we "understand their pain." Fuck that. Get over it. Everybody's got pain. Everybody doesn't get to act like an asshole.<br /><br />Those who never really assimilate the idea that we are REQUIRED to control our baser natures and overcome our impulses are doomed to fear and cowardice...and liberalism. <br /><br />Dennis Prager says, "Conservatives want a free life. Liberals want a pain-free life."<br /><br />I think this is very true because I believe that the great fight is between those who are courageous because they have defeated their own inner demons of impulse and desire and those who are cowards because the demons run the show. (see Sandra Fluke)<br /><br />And RG, I'm saving that comment because it's going up on my header soon! THANKS!<br /><br />Library-Gryffon, have you ever read this essay? Your descriptions of sheep, sheepdogs and wolves reminded me of it.Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-59539440976146204822012-09-13T12:02:59.250-07:002012-09-13T12:02:59.250-07:00Bad philosophies are like vampires. You can kill o...Bad philosophies are like vampires. You can kill one off but as long as it <i>sounds</i> nice eventually some fool will come along and pull the stake out of its chest.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-49905872381852177072012-09-13T11:49:37.454-07:002012-09-13T11:49:37.454-07:00That was sort of what I was thinking, and you woul...That was sort of what I was thinking, and you would think that any one with common sense would have figured out that it obviously didn't work then, men haven't changed since then, so there is no reason why it should be working now. <br /><br />My daughter and I have a tendency to recite in unison: "Common sense isn't common."<br /><br />Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-2523099392030056432012-09-13T11:15:40.713-07:002012-09-13T11:15:40.713-07:00I think the idea of the perfectibility of man star...I think the idea of the perfectibility of man started with Rousseau. Apparently a very popular philosopher during the French Revolution, which is hardly a good sign.RGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09171113315326198836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-28495594856018854852012-09-13T10:38:28.887-07:002012-09-13T10:38:28.887-07:00I really wish I knew where the West came up with t...I really wish I knew where the West came up with the whole "perfectible man" crap these last few years. When did Western Civ decide that all they had to do was ask nicely and everyone would act against their own personal best interest to give them the "perfect" world?<br /><br />Someone years ago pointed out that the world's problems are caused by lots of people who find it too painful to admit to themselves that there are wolves out there. These sheep have decided that pain is bad, therefore pain must be avoided at all costs, and the best way to prevent ever having to feel pain is to pretend that any wolfish behaviour is simply caused by not being sheepish enough. Because admitting that wolves cause pain for fun, and don't care what the sheep do hurts their tender little underdeveloped psyches as much if not more than the actual injury from the wolf. <br /><br />Those of us who are sheepdogs by natural inclination or by training (because we found pretending too difficult) are left screaming at a flock of idiots, who have decided that because we are the one making the noise, we must be the problem, not the wolves leering out from behind us.<br /><br />I've seen lots of stuff about how this is middle east unrest is what Ø and the rest of the "elites" want, with plenty of somewhat believable reasons given. But Hillary's face and the comments from State today would seem to indicate it's simply a severe case of sheepitis. They seem to truly have no idea why those nice angry men in the Middle East don't like us after all we've done for them.<br />Library-Gryffonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06446982343602702829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-555191244102972923.post-86463976256097541472012-09-13T09:50:23.641-07:002012-09-13T09:50:23.641-07:00I understand the Dems feel they have something on ...I understand the Dems feel they have something on Romney because of a fucking timeline, but really? No. No, they don't. It's manufactured outrage. And given the crazy events, and the FACT that the embassy knew there might be attacks as early as Monday, it sure looks to me like they "allowed" it to happen by not taking any credible action to at least show force. As you say, they just wrung their hands. Historically, hand wringing has been largely ineffective against Muslim extremists.<br /><br />So, for me, whatever criticism Romney leveled was important. There is plenty of blame here -- and it should all fall on Mr. I KILLED BIN LADEN WITH MY BARE HANDS. <br /><br />If you're the star when it goes right, you're the asshole when it goes wrong. <br /><br />For the press to waste ANY ink worrying about when we knew what, as the bottom line here is that Obama fucked up, is INSANE.<br /><br />And I have to add that they weren't right on the words either. Appeasing a dog when it is baring its teeth just gets you bit. Buttercuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10201235659652895050noreply@blogger.com